jws certainly do bang on a lot about 'accurate knowledge'.
for most christians john 3:16 is the most important verse in the bible, but to jw's john 17:3 is.
jw's are so enamored with this concept of 'accurate knowledge' above all else that they have basically made an idol out of it.
most of us actually began to break free from "accurate knowledge"(TM) when we realised, not that it was wrong, but that we just didn't like it (even if it were true
Here! Here NSSE
Bottom line is their knowledge is errant and should be plain to see to all jdubs. They hear the flip-flopping of prophesy but they still go along with the FDS ... actually believing there is no where else to turn. I'm glad to hear there is an exodus in the US and elsewhere. It's a very good thing !!!
hi--i was wondering if anyone knew what the watchtower says about the superpowers destroying babylon the great?
i have been out for many years, and i know they used to teach that russia and the us were going to have the great war and then destroy all religions except the witnesses.
any takers?
I agree with you iiz2cool, I remember being scared s***less that Russia would conquer the US (according to thier interpretation of Daniels prophecy). When the Soviet Union fell they pretty much said, 'oh we kinda messed that one up, but Jehover ... blah blah blah .... light gets brighter ..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Then when they f'kd with the generation prophesy I was done.
They might as well shut up about all of it 'cause they dont know WTF they're talking about - about anything!
Just my piece ... I'm not bitter though ... perhaps just a tinchy little bit.
from the new organized to do jehovah?s will (od) pages 18, 19. this is from a new chapter (3) in the book ?trusting the faithful and discreet slave?.
why trust "the faithful and discreet slave".
there are many reasons to have complete trust in the slave class.
I can't believe they continue to say these things... (shaking head in disbelief)
I can't believe JW's still believe that crap! (shaking head and blowing air trough nose in exasperation)
from the new organized to do jehovah?s will (od) pages 18, 19. this is from a new chapter (3) in the book ?trusting the faithful and discreet slave?.
why trust "the faithful and discreet slave".
there are many reasons to have complete trust in the slave class.
... and rolling eyes very hard!
how many of you bumped up your field service hours so you could keep the elders off your back?
our congo had a 10 hour "soft" target for guys.
however, if you didn't meet the 10 hours you got your "privledges" reduced or revoked.
I was an Idiot; I always did do things the hard way.
Same here ... I guess I really was "honesthearted" ... I used to save the extra minutes for the next month until I told a pioneer sister I was doing that and I thought she was going to stone me to death!
the thread on "happy jw's" got me to thinking about this.
there really are some truly happy jw's.
maybe it's because they don't take all the "do more, do more" stuff to heart and just do what they think is "enough".
I think JW say that they are happy because the WT tells them that they are.
Emphasis through repetition ... They hear the words "Jehovah's happy people" so much they accept it as fact just as they do everything else. Even though most of them don't look happy at all. How can you be happy when you never measure up, there's always more to do, you didn't capture that last opportunity to informal witness ... and on and on and on? And living everyday thinking 'probably you may be concealed in the day of Jehovah's anger'. Wondering if you had committed an unforgivable sin. For me that was a painful existence.
Living every day with faith in Jesus and in God's grace ... that makes me happy.
well my dear and trusted friends on this most esteemed forum...i would like you to meet my newest addition..."freedom frog".
he now graces my right arm and has been adopted into my family of frog tattoos.
(gizmo, on my left front leg above my ankle and flipper, another little frog above my right ankle, but to the side).
YOU GO GIRL!!!
I'm getting my first on my B-day this year - May 24th. A sun and moon on my abdomen to cover up the tire tracks my kids left behind
If anyone has seen some good pics. please share.
AHHH SWEET FREEDOM INDEED!!!!
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i know people have left for people issues but what about jehovah god and jesus?
what have they done?.
There are so many great comments on this thread that I can't even cut and paste them all.
My take on it is: I love God, I've accepted Jesus as my personal savior (witnesses hate to hear that, don't they?!?) don't need no "oranization" to tell me what to do because I do know right from wrong and I won't tolereate imperfect people judging me anymore.
As for the Bible being God's inspired word ... I doubt it very seriously! Some portions perhaps ... I don't dwell on it and I don't read it anymore. I learn about God from the world around me and find God's wisdom comes from all types of sources, people and organizations.
Religion divides, Love unites - Love God, Love yourself and Love your neighbor and try to make the world a better place by your being here.
I don't know what God's plan is but I suspect we'll all find out one day. Until then, I am happy in my personal relationship with God. Even as a witness I used to say 'my relationship with Jehovah is my own'. It wasn't until I really took that statement to heart that I was able to break free from that dogmatic society.
Where are all my 'loving' friends now? They won't speak to me ... that's not the love Jesus preached about.
the thread on "happy jw's" got me to thinking about this.
there really are some truly happy jw's.
maybe it's because they don't take all the "do more, do more" stuff to heart and just do what they think is "enough".
I think it differs for everybody. Some people NEED religion to be happy ... period. I had a friend who was dfd then reinstated, then realized it was a cult and now she's a church fanatic. Religion is like a drug for her ... she loves feeling rightous and judging others as unrightous. Same as the dubs. Striving for perfection feels good for some people.
As for me ... all I need is love and some interesting activities to fill my day. I have a great job that I love, a family, a friend or 2, ambition, health ... I'm straight.
this has always troubled me:.
i was studying to be babtized although i was raised around the "truth" i still had to have an official study.
so i was taught that i had to go to jehovah in prayer stating my desire to be dedicated and babtized.
Interesting question ...
I remember how good I felt when I first started to accept the troof - I loved to study and research, loved FS initially, mainly because I am very social and enjoyed chatting with the 'sisters' ... it was fun for me at first ... something to do I guess. But after my baptism I felt awkward. All the responsibilities were like a dark cloud ... I felt like I was always being watched or something (somebody has to feel me on this).
As for prayer, I can remember feeling close to God even as a young child. I don't know where I learned about him from, my mother barely talked to me growing up and we rarely went to church. Now that I've dumped my JW beliefs I still feel a closeness to God but I admit that I don't know his name and I don't believe that the Bible is inspired so I guess I'm sort of a spiritual agnostic . I still pray and even say in Jesus name ... go figure. Doesn't matter much to me, whoever my God is he knows me so it doesn't matter to me what anyone else thinks or does ... live and let live. I relieved myself of the burden of a formal belief system. I am enjoying just learning about life, politics, business et al ... there's a whole world out here we didn't know much about before.
Sweet Freedom
